Elahe Izadi on the Benefits and Evils of Technology

When I teach courses on media theory, I like to point out that whenever a new technology appears, there are some that hail it as the thing that will finally spark an information revolution that will lead us to Utopia.  Others hail it as the end of civilization itself.  The article by Elahe Izadi for the Washington Post (7/13/2017), discusses both sides, so we’ll start from the top:

The wonders of technology

Open and democratic

Michael Che expressed that he felt like nowadays everybody is a comedian, but Ilana Glazer notes, “Anybody could be a comedian and everybody could be a comedian.” Izadi adds, that this is because the internet is free and open to all.

Stand-up comics once vied for limited TV airtime. Now they vie to be noticed on the limitless Internet, where they can tell jokes and upload videos instantly.

“The democratization of the Internet has kind of sped things up,” says [Comedy Central executive, Steve] Raizes. “That’s kind of a whole new path in. . . . It used to take people 10 years to kind of go through this.

Control of voice

Abbi Jacobson of Broad City, which started as a Web series, says that the internet, “gives content creators control to make exactly what they want to do with their voice.”

This has to some extent always been true of stand-up:

“There’s no editor between me and the audience. I direct, produce, writing — I’m everything in that medium,” [T.J.] Miller says. “So if I f— up and tonight doesn’t go well, or if people don’t like how I’ve decided to talk about it, that is wholly and completely on me.”

Less layers of red-tape, corporate lawyers, financial backers and censors will always free up an artist – and that’s always been the benefit of stand-up.  Just look at what happens to a comic’s act when they get their own sitcom: Tim Allen, Roseanne Barr and company were watered down and reduced to caricatures and catchphrases.  It wasn’t until Seinfeld that we started to see something more three-dimensional, and he had to break the model to do it.

True, there’s some censoring that happens in stand-up (especially before your set is televised). But while some clubs don’t want you to “work blue,” and if the audience revolts, you might not get an invite back, if you’re killing, there aren’t a lot of limits on what you can do.  However, in the internet model, as Izadi notes,

Social media “cut out the middleman” and let comedians reach audiences directly — which is especially important when you first start in comedy and bookers control whether you can play their clubs, says [Ron] Funches.

“A lot of times they’re basing it off of comedy that they liked in the past, friends that they liked,” says Funches. “So if you’re anything different or unique, they’re like, ‘Oh, I don’t know what this is. This isn’t what I think comedy is.’”

[Phoebe] Robinson, who co-hosts WNYC’s “2 Dope Queens” podcast, says, “You can be more in charge of your destiny, rather than, ‘I hope someone will cast me as something.’ ”

Yes, this sounds like a good thing, but it hints at a darker side, which I’ll come to momentarily.

Broadening the scope

This democratization has opened the field up beyond comics who are stereotypical: usually white or Jewish, middle class men, in dinner jackets doing one-liners. Ok, that was prior to the 1950’s, but even with the storytelling and therapy sets of the 1970’s and 80’s, we still see a lot of white or Jewish, middle class men, and the scope of what was considered “stand-up proper” was pretty limited.  Now, however,

“The glacier of comedy is moving much faster now and bringing a lot of what would have been viewed as experimental,” [Brian Volk-Weiss, president of Comedy Dynamics] says. “I’ll see some weird thing at the back of a laundromat and it has its own show two years later.”

The examples here abound: Maria Bamford, Ron Fuches, Aziz Ansari, Hasan Minhaj. I’ve written about how Minhaj’s Ted-talk like format has created quite a bit of buzz lately.

Breaking stereotypes

Izadi makes another great point:

More platforms also means less boxing-in of comics based on their race, gender or sexual orientation. They can be known more as individuals than as types.

“We’re in a place now where just even as a black comedian you don’t have to be thought to be ‘urban.’ You can just be a comedian,” says Roy Wood Jr. “You could be as unique as Tig Notaro or a Jerrod Carmichael and still have an audience and still have a place in the comedy zeitgeist.”

Yes, when it’s left to bookers and producers, we get stereotypical humor from people who fit the mold, and I, for one, am really tired of seeing comics conform to their type. It’s easy to be who the audience wants us to be. It’s much harder – but much more rewarding – to get them to accept us for who we want to be.  But, as I argue, creating a persona is always a negotiation.

Can lead to bigger things

Yes, there is a lot of possibility and a lot of good things can happen for people who otherwise wouldn’t get a shot. Izadi notes,

Web series and podcasts can help outlets such as Comedy Central and HBO “get more invested into talent if they can see that you can create your own thing,” says [Phoebe] Robinson

Increasingly, those comics are getting discovered on — and paid by — Netflix.

A comic can go from struggling to sell 50 tickets to, within months of a Netflix special, selling 4,000, says Volk-Weiss, the comedy producer.

So this is where internet buzz translates into actual capital, dollars in the comic’s pocket.

Other benefits

Increased audience access equals lasting relevance

Specials remain on Netflix forever, and that “is awesome for a comedy fan and a comedian,” says Che. “It stays relevant. It doesn’t just go away.”

Having specials that are always just a few clicks away makes it easier to watch, encouraging more people to enjoy it. See that a comic is coming to town? Watch their special and decide if you want to buy a ticket.

Zipping and zapping change the format

The on-demand, commercial-free nature of Netflix also gives comedy more flexibility, says Lisa Nishimura, the company’s vice president of original documentary and comedy programming. Special lengths can vary. Viewers can start, stop and re-watch them whenever they want.

Media theorists refer to this ability to move freely through the content as zipping and zapping – usually we do it to avoid commercials, but we also jump to a scene, or change the show entirely.

It’s also a well-worn theory in media studies that when new media emerge, they tend to conform to the norms of previous media – radio programs resembled concerts, books and theater, television programs resembled, theater and visual representations of radio, etc. Our current model of the 30 minute program or the 60 minute program (with commercial breaks) is a product of television.  However, when the new media truly come into their own, they break free of previous models, and with the DVR’s, internet, zipping and zapping, the idea of the 20 minute or 45 minute (plus commercials) set can go the way of the dodo.

Niche audiences

Comics are also able to find a niche, a marketing strategy that only becomes more and more important as platforms go global. Izadi notes,

And Netflix’s algorithm gives customized suggestions at ideal times, based on past viewing habits.

“You’re going to be constantly introduced to new audiences and potential new fans,” says Nishimura. “I think that’s the thing comics are looking for the most, is to sort of find their people.”

Whereas I’ve talked about how Jay Leno and others of the Late Night stand-up crowd came up trying to appeal to as broad an audience as possible, Comics are already relying on this, like Rory Scovel with what I’ve called his “Lenny Bruce Opening.”

But is this necessarily a good thing? Shouldn’t comics be trying to please a lot of people, to be thought to be funny by as many people as possible? What’s the danger of doing something smaller.  Well, let’s list them.

The death of stand-up society

As I said, for every pro that will lead us to Utopia, there’s a con that will lead to Dystopia.

Lost in the clutter

While the field seems open and democratic, it is perhaps too much so; a person can get lost in the sea of possibilities. Izadi notes,

How can you be noticed in such a crowded field? If so many people have a special, is it special anymore?

While Jacobson touted the benefits to authorial control offered by the internet, she also cautions, “You still have to do a lot of work to get it seen and heard and exposure.” If there are so many specials to watch, and the audience has limited time, wouldn’t they  gravitate to a comic they know they like? How does a new comic break in?

Popularity is a double-edged sword

Izadi also notes,

The size of your social media following can help get you, or cost you, a gig — and is being good at Twitter the same as being good on stage, anyway?

So if you’re lost in a sea of people similarly trying to “make it,” it gets harder and harder to distinguish yourself.

Less time to develop

Izadi notes that stand-up is “a craft that requires failing in public to get good.” And in the era of the internet, we don’t necessarily get the chance.

Anyone can film and upload a comic’s set, which makes established performers wary. Rock walked out of a New York open mic because audience members were recording. Hart required seated Clusterfest audience members to lock up their phones in magnetic pouches.

This is true even of open mic’ers; we can have our routines made public and potentially stolen – if only to boost someone else’s internet following – before we see dollar one.  That brings up the next point:

Loss of control

Joanne Gilbert and others have argued that stand-up comedy is an organic, living thing when performed in front of a live audience.  However, once a bit goes through mass media, it becomes fixed, static, and can be pulled out of context and misused.  Izadi mentions this effect too:

And a bit can take on a life of its own — such as a 2014 Buress joke about Bill Cosby filmed by someone in the crowd, or a 2012 Daniel Tosh rape joke aimed at a female audience member who then blogged about the experience.

While Buress’ joke provoked social and legal action against Cosby, Tosh’s joke provoked outrage and action against him, which has lead to critical reinterpretation, like the one by David Misch that I wrote about recently.

No filter often leads to worse comedy

I watched a set by a couple of internet sensations who recently sold out our local Improv to re-enact their online show: a bunch of dick jokes and pantomimed sex acts that would never sell at an open mic, let alone get booked [without the lure of a guaranteed crowd]. This points out the benefit of having bookers, critics and some level of control over content: it weeds out the bad comics.

Birbiglia talks about how, “There’s even a comic in Brazil who found “My Girlfriend’s Boyfriend” [his 2013 special] on Netflix and now pays a license fee to perform it.” Performing someone else’s act? That’s the epitome of hack. Patton Oswalt has called out at least one comedian for stealing one of his bits whole cloth.

We had a guy like this in Kansas City who stole Sam Kinison’s name and persona, and some of his jokes as well. Yes, I miss the man’s comic genius, but I respect that genius from Kinison because I know how much time and effort it takes to develop that, both the persona and the jokes. Stealing either is sacrilege. Paying to do it may make it legal, but it doesn’t make it ok.

Niches create stagnant backwaters

The idea that comics don’t have to please everyone, that they can “find their people,” can lead to stagnation on two fronts: the comic and the audience.

Stagnant comics

First off, if comics are just telling jokes to a group of audience members that enjoys a particular type, it creates an echo chamber.  The audience has selected the comic based on what they want, and the comic is urged to continue to give them exactly that and nothing else.  This is the heart of Michael Che’s comments that:

It just feels like audiences want somebody who will get up there and say what they’ve already been thinking, as opposed to saying something they’ve never thought of before.

While Che mentions being on “the right side of history,” he also is implying that the people judging may not know what that is. Further, if the audiences don’t want it, then the comic doesn’t have to provide it, so trying to think of something novel is no longer even a goal of the niche comic.

Stagnant audiences

I don’t believe that all audiences only want to be re-served what they’ve enjoyed in the past, but this is what some Media theorists argue that the automation of Netflix and other digital systems are pushing us toward: that in creating a customized profile in order to better market to you, companies limit you as an audience member.  You aren’t encouraged to encounter new things that you might enjoy more. You can still find it, if you take the initiative and do an independent search, but it’s not popping up in your feed on its own.

Eventually, people get tired of the same thing, and unless they’re offered something new, they may just decide to stop watching stand-up, and then comes the bust.

Bad comedy

Bad comedy was what Birbiglia said happened in the 80’s that brought about a bust, and he’s prepared for it to happen again.

It’s not clear whether this boom will by followed by a bust — “there’s more talented comedians than there are slots, still,” says Funches.

But plenty of performers are preparing for worst-case scenarios.

“I’m a pessimistic person, so I’m already thinking about when it’ll end,” says Birbiglia. “But it won’t end for me because I’ve always been doing the same thing. I’ve been doing the same thing since 1997. I was in the recession, I’m in the boom, I’ll be in the next recession. I just love doing comedy.”

Questions? Comments? Thoughts? Additions?

Elahe Izadi on the Current Stand-Up Comedy Boom

Elahe Izadi, in an article for the Washington Post (7/13/2017), talks about the current “stand-up comedy boom.”

Never before has so much original material been this easy to access and been consumed by this many people. Never before has the talent pool of comedians been this deep, and in format, voice and material, this diverse.

And comedy’s cultural resonance deepens with rapid technological change, increasing societal divisions and a dizzying news cycle.

While I highly recommend reading her article, I’d like to highlight certain passages to bring out some interesting points about humor: its power, what stand-up’s audience is, her history lesson and the rise of the current boom, and her take on both the wonders of technology and the breaking of society.

The power of humor

Comedy Central executive, Steve Raizes, believes that humor is a vital part of anyone’s identity or persona (and Erving Goffman says we all have a persona, an “on-stage” self).

People really define themselves, both in real life but also on social media, through their sense of humor. That’s how you portray yourself publicly and how people get to know you.

Michael Che adds,

It feels like everybody’s a comedian. Even news articles are written with a humorous twist and the headline is funny.

This has been true for quite some time, as humor is recognized as a way to make a message more palatable.  Others, like Philip Stamato of Splitsider.com argue that humor might be a necessity in the current political news climate.

What stand-up is

Audience

For Dave Chappelle,

It seems like one of the reasons comedy is doing so well has to do with the nature of the genre. We engage the audience, and in this digital world, it always works best live. It feels good to just sit in a room and talk to people and be spoken to and laugh, and validate or invalidate each other’s feelings.

So in terms of things I’ve discussed before, Chappelle casts the audience’s role as voters: “validating and invalidating,” voting yay or nay.

Michael Che has a slightly different take on the current state of affairs,

People are more holding comedians accountable, not for being funny, but for being on the right side of history. It just feels like audiences want somebody who will get up there and say what they’ve already been thinking, as opposed to saying something they’ve never thought of before.

This is, again, the audience and comic validating each other’s feelings, but Che makes it seem like a one-way exchange: the audience wants their feelings validated, not to validate the comic’s, and especially not if the material is politically or socially “wrong.”

This doesn’t seem, on face, true. Audience members have always become outraged, booed, heckled, or just left.  Perhaps the range of topics where these “votes” are the results has increased as people become more self-aware, but it also depends on the joke; some comics seem to be able to “get away with it.”  If audiences are holding comics accountable, it’s because stand-up comedy is powerful; stand-up comedy matters.

Comics

Chappelle also says, “But we’re also bombarded with information, and comics are great distillers of information.” This is his role for the comic; to feed us information, to tell us what’s important and break it down into a manageable form.  Izadi notes,

Comedy is being taken more seriously now. Top-billing stand-up comedians are treated as public intellectuals.

“Maybe even 10 years ago we weren’t respected as much as we are now,” Jim Jefferies says. “People almost are talking about comedy more than they’re performing it”

Indeed the whole view of comics has gotten a lot more serious, and as Che notes, comedians are being held accountable.

Serious

Chappelle says,

It’s a great time to be a comedian, artistically and professionally. There’s a lot of good people doing a lot of good, serious work. It’s funny to say you’re serious about comedy, but I think a lot of people are.

If I can tweak Chappelle’s intentions just a bit: there are a lot of people doing stand-up comedy that is meaningful, stand-up that matters, and comedians, critics and audiences are taking stand-up comedy a lot more seriously.

History lesson

Izadi talks about the recent history of stand-up:

Comedy has boomed before. While a handful of comics became cultural phenomena during the 1960s and ’70s, stand-up went full mainstream during the 1980s.

Mike Birbiglia says that in the 1980’s, “every hotel lounge had a comedy club, too” at least on Friday and Saturday nights. “There were hundreds of those across the country. Tons of people started doing stand-up comedy who were terrible, and that’s what leads to crashes.”

And boy, did it crash. The novelty of stand-up evaporated.

Izadi tells stories of comics who practiced their art in secret, like a cult or sex fetish. Birbiglia remembers that by 2003, maybe 10 comedians could sell out theaters.

Current boom

However, in 2003,

Comedy Central partnered with Live Nation for its first national tour featuring Lewis Black, [Dave] Attell and Mitch Hedberg. It was such a hit that all three comedians became theater acts on their own, Birbiglia says.

That was apparently the beginning of the current boom, although it seems odd that a single tour would mark such a cultural change.

The change seems legit, however. Izadi’s evidence is that

Now, “there’s now like 50 to 75 comedians, myself included, who sell out theaters,” Birbiglia says. “That’s a crazy phenomenon.”

Gabriel Iglesias, Bill Burr and Aziz Ansari [and we can add Louis C.K., Dane Cook and Amy Schumer] have sold out Madison Square Garden. Kevin Hart performed for 53,000 people at Philadelphia’s Lincoln Financial Field.

But George Carlin sold out the Garden in 1992; yes, that’s six to one, I’m just saying, it wasn’t unheard of. However, while big names can sell out large venues, most working comics take to the road, touring known comedy clubs, and these have increased as well:

For decades, some cities could only support one comedy club, and now they have multiple ones, [Brian Volk-Weiss, founder of comedy production and distribution company Comedy Dynamics,] notes.

More than just a new growth of clubs, there’s also been a increase in festivals, and they are increasing well attended.  In 2016, the Kansas City comedy scene began a festival, in 2017, we have two. Izadi notes that, “In early June [2017], more than 45,000 people showed up at Clusterfest [San Francisco].”

There’s also been an increase in recorded specials,

Comedy Dynamics produced about five specials yearly less than a decade ago. Last year, they made 52, available on outlets such as Netflix, Seeso and Hulu.

Netflix has licensed stand-up since launching its streaming service in 2007, but it has doubled-down in recent years. In 2015, it released a dozen new specials. Last year, 19. This year? So far, an average of about one a week: 25.

This points out perhaps the biggest boon to stand-up comedy: the internet and streaming services, which I will address in a later post.

One more thing…

Izadi notes that we’re talking a lot more about the joke work, the writing and performance.

A cadre of podcasts featuring comics talking shop and devoted to dissecting the craft, such as Marc Maron’s “WTF,” have huge followings.

Jim Jefferies says, “I used to get asked to tell jokes, now I get asked, ‘How do you write a joke?’ ”

Critics writing about comedy the way they write about film brings added prestige to the genre, says [Phoebe] Robinson. Still, “it’s like watching a food show,” she adds. “You can watch it, but if you don’t do it, you don’t really understand the complexities of it.”

That is, after all, the purpose of this blog. Yes, this conversation is difficult to follow, especially when you’re chasing a pack of popular sources, who, in turn, are chasing their own tails, but it is rewarding (at least for me).

Questions? Comments? Thoughts? Additions?

Ricky Gervais on Provoking Thought

In an interview with Larry Fitzmaurice of Vice.com (7/12/2017), Ricky Gervais has a lot to say about comedy and even people.

All the same?

Gervais says that his jokes do well internationally because,

I talk about big issues: war, religion, stupidity, intelligence, love, death. The people I talk about are world famous. There’s no difference in humor. We’re all the same underneath.

This point is disputable.  Physical humor and scatological humor are both based in bodily function, and thus are common experiences that play well to international audiences.  Look at the popularity of Mr. Bean. For a long time, Baywatch was the number one show internationally, because large breasted white women running in slow motion plays well in every country.  This was followed by the variations of Idol (American, etc.), because singing and dance talent have also become – to some extent – standardized.

It’s kind of a chicken/egg debate: Does that international comedy you’re watching have scatological humor because that’s what passes for humor in that country, or are you able to watch it because they knew that would pass for humor globally – that’s probably how it got popular enough to hit your radar?

The question is, are people similar enough on the issues Gervais lists (war, religion, stupidity, intelligence, love, death) to laugh at his jokes? Maybe in Western culture. But it probably depends more on the joke, than the topic.

Humor takes thought

Counter to the common interpretation that laughs are unconscious, automatic – or at least knee-jerk – bodily responses to something universally funny, Gervais expresses a more enlightened view.

[W]hen it comes to what’s funny, comedy is an intellectual pursuit anyway.

So perhaps jokes are not universally funny, but instead we have to think about it, put it into a cultural context and then decide it’s funny.  That sounds like a lot of work!

Actually, some scholars talk about mental shortcuts, pre-patterned or habitual responses. We circumvent the intellectual process by laughing at the same things we’ve always laughed at. We laugh because we recognize the structure of the joke, and the laugh should go here. Or we laugh because we are trying to impress the speaker.

But some of us are becoming more savvy consumers of humor. We don’t laugh as easily, especially when the topics are problematic. We can’t just laugh at fat people anymore, or the disabled, or people of color acting stupidly – the list is growing – unless it’s the right joke, that lets us laugh in the right way – so that we can laugh with them.

Clapter

Gervais also addresses Seth Meyers’ idea of “clapter,” responses that indicate agreement with the comic, but not necessarily humor. He says that’s not the response he’s going for:

I try to keep politics out of it. If you’re relying on people agreeing with you, then you’re losing something comically. I could spend an hour bashing Trump or Brexit, but I don’t think I should. What makes a difference is whether or not you’ve created a smart audience or a dumb audience. I could play to the wrong crowd in England just as easily as I could play the wrong crowd in America. I just try to do intelligent, thought-provoking comedy.

I didn’t like it in the 70s when comedians would come out and be racist—they were relying on like-minded people clapping because they’re racist too. I’ve played the right-wing, uneducated bore in a lot of my shows, and I don’t want to do that bit this time because I’ve realized half the world is actually like that.

He says something similar on Late Night with Seth Meyers (7/21/2017).  This idea of intelligent, thought-provoking comedy is the driving force behind my project.  It’s the idea that comedy at its best doesn’t just “make people laugh,” but encourages them to think.

The idea is that a comic can choose whether or not to play on knee-jerk, pre-patterned responses. Most comics consider such a reliance, by definition, “hacky,” but they don’t always get when they’re doing it. Sometimes they think they’re being “edgy” when they’re just invoking an automatic, recoil response from an audience.  These types of humor would create a dumb audience.

On the other hand, if a comic can entice people to listen to an argument that they wouldn’t normally entertain, get them to laugh (for whatever reason) and at the same time actually make a valid point – an unexpected or witty connection or comparison, a savvy distinction or contrast, etc. – they can provoke thought.  Maybe not always – hell, maybe not consistently – but sometimes, and all without sacrificing the audience’s goodwill and losing them.  They’ve made the audience smarter.

On expectations

One thing open mic’ers lament is that we’re not “names,” speaking in a known comedy venue with our name in lights on the marquee.  We strongly believe that having a recognizable name or at the very least, the name of the comedy club behind you lends a lot to the show – if nothing else, when people are familiar with you and your work, they can make an informed decision to opt in or out – and Gervais expresses this understanding:

There’s no real difference in terms of where I am in the world because they all come to see me, so they’re already my crowd.

Gervais is well aware that his previous popularity gives him a lot of room in which to work.

I always say that I know how lucky I am. I can get these people to come out to see me because The Office is shown in 90 countries—and Extras. They already know me. If it wasn’t for those shows, I wouldn’t have time in my life to build up a cult following to be this big in every country.

On the popularity of stand-up

In his last answer, Gervais talks about the rise of (and the academic in me says “cultural relevance of) stand-up:

There’s a perception that stand-up is becoming more popular again.
I see it, but it’s very different now, too. Traditionally, the stand-up scene was basically people getting their seven minutes wherever there was a couple of scouts from Letterman or The Simpsons. They wanted to get a writing job or their own sitcom. Now, there’s much more pride in just doing stand-up—there’s much more pride in it. Why do I want to get a little sitcom that might be canceled? I’m selling out in arenas here. There’s not much more pride in just being the biggest and best stand-up you can be.

I remember Jerry Seinfeld saying to me years ago, “Why are you doing films? Why are you doing TV? You’re a stand-up.” He didn’t understand that I like to do everything. Jerry thought stand-up, was the Holy Grail. I never saw that because it wasn’t in vogue, but now I do think he was right. There’s nothing more enjoyable than saying exactly what you think to 10,000 strangers every night. You do what you want. No one interferes. It’s the purest art form. It took me this long to appreciate it, and it took me this long to be good.

My first shows, I was pretty good—but now I think I’m really good. I’ve cracked it. I want to do another sitcom and another movie, but if I had to give something up, it probably would be everything else but stand-up. That’s why being a rock star is so appealing. When you’re an actor, you’re someone else every day—people love you when you’re someone else. You could be the biggest thing in a Marvel film, but no one cares about your next thing because you don’t have the rubber suit on. What they liked was the rubber suit. When you’re a rock star, you’re always you—on the stage, in the limo, throwing a TV out the window. It’s the same with a comedian. You’re not the same in real life as you are on the stage, but you know you are your person. Rock stars and comedians—they’re the superheroes. They’re already in their rubber suits.

Questions? Comments? Thoughts? Additions?

Joe Stapleton on Spontaneity and Hecklers

In an interview with Paul Seaton of Pokernews.com (7/10/2017), Joe Stapleton had several things to say about stand-up:

It’s rehearsed

On Spontaneity in stand-up, Stapleton says:

Stand up is rehearsed. The goal is to make it sound unrehearsed and sound like it’s off the top of your head. I’m still working on that.

This once again refutes the idea that good comedy is spontaneous; most of us have it practiced to death.

Get on stage!

He makes a comparison between stand-up and poker:

It’s an evolution when it comes to stand-up. It’s similar to poker in a couple of ways. Your friends are also your competition and you’re secretly hoping that they’ll fail. Well, you might not want them to fail but you want to be the best person in the room. It’s also like poker in that a small sample size does you almost no good…. You need an almost infinite sample size in poker and that’s also the way your jokes grow and evolve. You’re always tweaking it. The really good stand-ups do five or six sets a week minimum. I do at most two a week.

To get better at stand-up, you have to do stand-up.  Onstage. In front of as big an audience as possible. That can be difficult when you’re hitting open mics and your audience is just other comics, who aren’t really listening, just waiting for their time, but even that work is essential, as just going through the bit is helpful.

Hecklers

I still have to put up stuff on Hecklers, but we’ll get started with this: Stapleton tells a story of a guy who came out to see him:

This guy came to my show who was with three girls I knew from the show. They invited him off Tinder. First I was happy, it was another butt in a chair paying $20 to see me. However, about halfway through the show, he got stereotypically-British drunk and lost all control over the volume of his voice. All of the comics addressed him at some point and I was mortified. After the show he came up to me and said ‘Wasn’t that great?!’ I was like ‘What the fuck are you talking about?’ I was trying my best not to yell at the kid, but he said ‘I provided so much more comedy, everyone got to make fun of me and I gave them so much more material. Wasn’t it great?’ I looked at him and was like ‘No! They had to take out material from their acts to waste time on you.’

Again, this situation came up because the guy thought that comedy is spontaneous, and that he was a participant in the show, when ideally (for the comic), the show is set and rehearsed – unless you’re doing crowd work, but then you’re asking for it.

Stapleton continues:

I’ve had weird situations where poker fans have turned up and heckled me. They’re doing it from a good place, but they’re also being obnoxious and want attention from me and I don’t know what to do. I don’t want to destroy a fan, but it’s not an interactive show. OK, it sort of is, because I want to make you laugh, but that’s it. Come in and shut up but not too much, still laugh. And don’t laugh too weird, either, just a normal laugh. Also, don’t smile. Actually, laugh verbally, then stop while I’m telling my next joke. Applause breaks are fine.

This again recognizes that the fans think they’re helping, but they’re not.  Stapleton doesn’t view them as active participants in the show – the audience is just there to be objects that he “makes laugh,” that’s their role, to receive the humor from him.

Problems of addressing hecklers

What ends up happening is that I don’t know how to address it. If you address a heckler you can ruin the mood. But when an audience know that you can hear the heckler but you aren’t addressing them, they lose respect for you. I’m not very good yet at that delicate balance between not wanting to put someone down and dealing with it.

Aye, there’s the rub.  Addressing the heckler interrupts the act, which can change the momentum and the audience’s mood, ruining the rapport you’ve tried to build.  However, not addressing the heckler can do the same thing. If the person is really heckling and if a large portion of the audience can hear them.

I saw a comic just the other night address a guy who wasn’t even heckling, just talking loud in the back of the showroom, and it totally ruined the mood.  It was a bad situation because, where I was sitting, I couldn’t even hear the guy – and I suspect two-thirds of the audience were in the same boat – so this counter-attack just came out of nowhere in the middle of a bit.

The comic tried to recover, and eventually got back on track, but it was close to coming off the rails, and for no good reason – most of us couldn’t hear it and those who could knew that it had nothing to do with the act.

Summary

Stapleton’s view on spontaneity is fairly common: We’re super-prepared. He also reinforces that you need stage time to fully develop your act. He also introduces the heckler problem, and I will have a lot more to say about that.

Questions? Comments? Thoughts? Additions?

Update: James Davis’ Interview with StarTribune.com

On reading the interview, I made some updates to Intentionality – where I talk about the idea that comics are first and foremost trying to get a laugh on-stage. James Davis seems to have a more nuanced take than some comics.

Update: In an interview with StarTribune.com (7/7/2017), Neal Justin asks Hood Adjacent star, James Davis, the following:

Q: So you’re willing to sacrifice a laugh or two to make a point?

A: The laugh is the most important thing. I never wanted to be a teacher or a preacher. I don’t want the audience ever thinking that they’re listening to Don Lemon or Anderson Cooper. But early in my career I was just telling jokes. I wouldn’t think about using them to send a message. But now, after studying comedians like Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle, Jerry Seinfeld, I know how to talk about the society around me.

These comics seem to believe that they should be trying to be funny first and foremost, and if they can do it while talking about their society, that’s good, but it’s an after-effect.

Not that James thinks that comics have no power to change people’s minds. Referring to Hannibal Buress, who may have got people talking about Bill Cosby, James says,

Hannibal has reached a level of success where he probably hit more stages during the last campaign than Hillary Clinton did. And people listen to him after the show and pick up on his material on their cellphones. That’s power. I’m aware of it and I keep that in mind when I make decisions about jokes. I have to make sure people are laughing when I want them to laugh.

When you put it that way – about sheer exposure – how could a comic not have an effect?  Still, there’s this idea that comics “don’t really mean any of it” that may create a (carnivalesque) space for both the humor to exist and for the audience to feel that they don’t have to do anything but laugh, and a common conception of laughter is that it doesn’t do anything.

Questions? Comments? Thoughts? Additions?

Misch on Personas, Truth and Ethics

In his article for Splitsider.com (7/6/2017), comic, critic, writer and teacher David Misch notes that there is an idea (held by at least one professional critic) that “authenticity in comedy is…bullshit.” Misch disagrees.  However, he’s making a distinction between only speaking truth, and Picasso’s definition of art as “the lie that reveals the truth.”  He says, “Comedy, like all art, doesn’t give a shit about accuracy. But art cares deeply about the truth.” Basically, comics don’t have to be historically, factually accurate, as long as they tell the truth.

Accuracy vs. truth

Late in the piece, Misch claims,

The vast majority of comics’ acts are based on their lives. We know everything they say isn’t literally true but we expect that it’s at least truth-adjacent.

And still later:

Bill Cosby (…) became famous telling stories about his childhood…. [I]n the 1960s no one wondered – no one cared – whether his stories were true, because they felt true. People knew (or were) Fat Alberts in school and could relate.

That’s how most standup works: think up a joke then pretend it’s part of your life. But “authenticity” is the key; stories are more effective when they feel like they could have happened. Yet a successful joke depends not on its “realness” but on the artfulness of its construction and delivery. Which is as it should be; standup is about being funny, not having a funny life.

Here he’s noting the difference between what academics call “facticity” and Stephen Colbert calls “truthiness,” whether or not it “rings true,” and actual truth or accuracy. He says that comedy should be judged on the construction of the art – the joke work – and on its impact (laughter), not on its accuracy, because audiences suspend disbelief.

Suspension of [dis]belief

Misch notes,“There’s a contract between artist and audience: we suspend [dis]belief and you give us pleasure.” Rewording this, he repeats that in comedy we “accept the premise and get a laugh…. Accepting a premise means suspending disbelief.” Having finally gotten the phrase correct, Misch goes on to talk about how the comic’s accuracy affects their relationship with the audience:

“Authenticity” doesn’t require truth but it does depend on whether a joke reveals truth or is just there for a cheap laugh. Now I’m all for cheap laughs (…), but the calculus for every standup is how much a cheap laugh costs for her relationship with the audience.

This implies that, rather than his argument above that producing laughter is the main goal, we also have to have a “truthful” point.  Cheap laughs are still laughs, but apparently they’re not enough.  The problem is, as he notes early on, that “truth” is slippery.

(Small “t”) truths

Early in the essay, Misch states,

Of course, everyone’s “truth” is different; standup truth is one the audience either shares or comes to share by dint of the comic’s comic persuasion.

I agree with the first part of this statement, but not in the way he means it.  Misch seems to mean that standup only has one truth that the comic creates; mine is a postmodern take on truth (Lyotard).

Rather than there being a monolithic (big “T”) Truth, which would have you believe that everything in your High School history book literally took place the way it says – because we all know books are handed down by the gods to us mere mortals, so they are literally 100% true – we recognize that the history book is just the account of the victors, and that there was probably a lot more going on – several (small “t”) “truths.”  Similarly, in every joke different people can read different things onto it, and potentially find different sources of humor.

As I argued previously, Misch only seems to grant this leeway to Daniel Tosh, who’s rape joke response to a heckler may have been brilliant – or not. In all Misch’s other examples, there’s only one possible interpretation – one truth that is revealed – whereas I have argued for multiple. Sure, if the comic is on their game and thinking it through, they can craft a joke where the laugh is mostly intentional, but as my Gabriel Iglesias example shows, that’s not a given, but at least Iglesias’ fan laughed.

The Tosh example further reveals that the audience doesn’t have to share the truth of the comic – the heckler certainly didn’t, despite Tosh’s “comic persuasion.”  This wasn’t a “failed joke,” because some people were laughing, but clearly not everyone was.

Misch also makes the point that the persona of the comic matters.

Characters vs. slippery personas

Misch notes, “While most comics speak in the first person, almost all say they perform as characters,” so “the idea of authenticity in a standup’s persona is bullshit.”

As I’ve displayed via the documentary Dying Laughing and a few other examples, this is not true; quite a few comics say that as they mature in their comedy they find their “true” voice – they become more “themselves.”  I’ve argued that they’re somewhat mistaken as it seems to be a negotiation [if a sometimes unexamined one]; they become the funniest type of person both they and the audience let themselves be.

It is in this vein that Misch differentiates between “character” comics (Andrew Dice Clay and Gilbert Gottfried) who are acting out a role, and “slippery” personas (Amy Schumer) that are merely exaggerated versions of the “real” person. I would argue that all comics are “slippery,” some are just more slippery than others – so yes, authenticity is to some extent “bullshit.”

Personal observations vs. cultural critiques

He also differentiates between comics who make “personal observations” and those who make “cultural critiques” or “social commentary”:

Standups who make social commentary – Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Lewis Black – usually represent clear moral points of view, and audiences who embrace them usually embrace their perspectives….

Wouldn’t we feel betrayed if we found out that the political routines of Bruce, Carlin, Dick Gregory, Richard Pryor (then), John Oliver, Samantha Bee, Trevor Noah, and Seth Meyers (now) didn’t reflect their beliefs? Being Muslim-American is central to Hasan Minhaj’s identity as a standup – wouldn’t we feel differently about him if it turned out he was Baptist?

…Stephen Colbert, now freed from his Comedy Central mock-conservative character, revels in what seems to be personal political judgments. His routines get at least some of their impact from our belief that he’s talking to us (and Trump) from the heart as well as the writers’ room. If we learned that wasn’t true, Colbert would lose a lot of his comic force.

These are good points, and display a belief that Colbert and company’s comedy possess force. However, Colbert was invited to the White House Correspondent’s Dinner in 2007 because he was read “straight” – as Pro-Republican.  His persona, which was more of a character, was read as merely slippery, and yet he certainly had force to his words there.

Problems

What Colbert’s example reveals is that comedy, even when mistaken, even when unintentional has an impact, and we need to own that.

Further, I’m not sure I agree that this impact only applies to cultural, social or “political” comics – where does this line lie? Is Louis C.K.’s rape joke more personal observation or does it transcend into cultural critique?  Misch seems to read it as the latter, when a more friendly reading is that it was just a limited incident that helps C.K. make a (different) larger point – he doesn’t want to rape (or at least, doesn’t want to be accused of rape).

Similarly, Larry the Cable Guy plays a rube, but in real life he’s anything but – he’s Daniel Lawrence Whitney from Nebraska, and is a college graduate. Carlos Mencia is Ned Holness and he’s only half-Mexican; he was born in Honduras. Does knowing this change the impact of their comedy? Do we feel betrayed? Or does the material stand on its own, independent of the person behind the curtain?

Perhaps some of the force would be gone, but some would certainly remain. That’s another premise of my project: If we strip the speaker and speech act down to their most untrustworthy, least reliable forms, what persuasive potential remains?  It turns out, quite a bit. That’s why ethics is important, even in comedy, and here’s where I’m back to agreeing with Misch.

No “ethical invisibility”

Misch notes,

The counter-argument [to the idea that social commentary comics “represent clear moral points of view”] seems to be that comedians’ personas have no relationship to who they actually are. But isn’t that classic cake-having and -eating? Successful standups shouldn’t be judged on the personas that make their fortunes?

I agree with all of this. Stand-up’s personas do not have to have a relationship to who they actually are, but they still have to own the effects. Stand-ups should be judged on the personas they choose, and I’m convinced that persona is always a choice, a product of a negotiation, if not an altogether conscious one. Misch goes further,

Still, even false personas provide no cloak of ethical invisibility – no one claims they can say anything on stage (like “Let’s kill all the Jews”[;] which would, of course, decimate the ranks of comedians) because it isn’t “really them.”

Even comedy has limits, and my project is to identify what those are because I believe they reveal important facts about not just comedy, but about all speech.

Misch used the example (I’ve talked about previously) of Bill Maher using the N-word, and addition of, “It’s a joke.” Misch notes,

But they knew it was a joke; they reacted because it was offensive. Something being a joke doesn’t buy you that ethical-invisibility cloak.

That’s what this article is really about: Maher. The C.K. joke was a throwback.  He’s doing an old academic trick that I’ve done several times on this blog: “This current event makes me think of my previous work… Let me dust that off for you here.”

However, Maher’s failed joke only relied on his language, not his persona, so Misch can only be talking about Louis C.K. when he summarizes,

Fake authenticity is fine if used in the service of a comic’s actual world-view, but not just to make an “edgy” joke work; that, I’d argue, is deceptive to the comic’s fans and destructive to his persona. If standups ask audiences to make a leap of faith based on a premise, they have to accept that audiences may look back after they leap. (Risking serious neck injury.)

Again, not sure if I agree here: Carlos Mencia, Larry the Cable Guy; I’m not sure these guys – especially in their early work – will own the world-view they present.  They do want to “have their cake and eat it too,” although I’ll agree that they can’t.  Their fake personas are deceptive to their fans, but it doesn’t seem to have impacted their careers that much.

Summary

I had to dig a bit to interpret what Misch was going for in the article, and I have to say I don’t always agree.

  • Yes, jokes have to be believable, but not truthful per se.
  • Yes, audiences grant some leeway in order to “get” the jokes.
  • No, there’s not just one truth that a joke reveals, but multiple.  And the comic doesn’t necessarily get to decide on what all of them are.
  • Yes, personas might range from out-and-out characters, to somewhat slippery versions of a real person, and all comics probably are somewhere on the spectrum, despite their claims.
  • There probably are differences between comics who try to make personal observations and those seeking to do social commentary and cultural critique, but in practice I’m not sure those terms are so far apart. That decision is really up to the audience.
  • Yes, comics are responsible for the effects of their jokes, and therefore should be a bit careful and thoughtful in crafting them.
  • I agree that fake authenticity used exclusively to make an “edgy” joke work is bad, but in my world, jokes aren’t that simple.  Though I wish it would play out that people who do this are shooting themselves in the foot, it doesn’t seem to work that way – perhaps because, again, truths are multiple and the audience gets to decide.

Questions? Comments? Thoughts? Additions?

References:

Lyotard, Jean François.  The Postmodern Condition: A Report on Knowledge.  Trans. Geoff Bennington and Brian Massumi.  Minneapolis, MN: University of Minnesota, 1984/2002.

—.  The Différend.  Trans. George Van Den Abeele.  Minneapolis, MN: University of Minnesota, 1988.

Wilson, Nathan. Was That Supposed to be Funny?  A Rhetorical Analysis of Politics, Problems and Contradictions in Contemporary Stand-Up Comedy. Dissertation in partial completion of the Ph.D. August, 2008.

David Misch on Five Jokes

In his article for Splitsider.com (7/6/2017), comic, critic, writer and teacher David Misch brings up five jokes to make a point about authenticity in comedy:

  1. Louis C.K.: “I went to a bar the other night. Where isn’t important, because I’m lying.”

  2. In Chewed Up (2008), Louis talks about a comedy club waitress who comes to his hotel; they make out, she stops him; he tries again, she stops him; she leaves. The next night she says, “What happened? Why’d you stop?” Louis is baffled: “’Cause you weren’t into it.” “No no, I just like to be forced.” Louis is astonished: “Are you out of your fucking mind?! You think I’m gonna rape you on the off-chance you’re into it?!”

  3. Amy Schumer: “I used to date Hispanic guys, but now I prefer consensual.”

  4. Sarah Silverman talked about an ex-boyfriend who was half-black, then chided herself for “being such a pessimist. He’s half-white.” Then, when the audience reacted, the capper: “I don’t care if you think I’m racist. I just want you to think I’m thin.”

     

  5. At a club, Daniel Tosh talked about rape jokes, a woman called out “Rape jokes aren’t funny!” and he said “Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by five guys right now?”

Let’s take Misch’s treatment of these jokes one at a time, and by the time I’ve summed up his critique of Tosh, you’ll see why I’ll need to come back around to the first three.

“I went to a bar the other night. Where isn’t important, because I’m lying.”

Misch calls the first joke “the best joke about standup comedy in history, the definitive statement on the question of authenticity.”  He says,

Of course he’s lying – we knew that. Where [the bar is] doesn’t matter because it’s a setup, a premise, a ‘gimme.’

The bar joke is brilliant, playing off the truth that all comedians, like all artists, lie. But its truth – the location of the bar – isn’t important.

“You think I’m gonna rape you on the off-chance you’re into it?!”

Misch differentiates the first joke from the second joke, which is also “hilarious,” but further “it makes a point.”  He asks, “doesn’t ‘authenticity’ – believing it really happened – play a role in that point?” An anonymous critic thinks it doesn’t, Misch thinks it does,

It’s different for waitress rape; what’s the truth being exposed there? “Some women are like that”? If that’s the “insight” we get and the story is a lie, then, I’d argue, Louis is taking advantage of the trust and good will he’s earned (…) to make an unearned point. We’re encouraged to think “Yeah, sure, there are women who expect men they barely know to give them sexual pleasure even if it means being arrested for rape.” Which may be Louis’s truth but is, arguably, one that’s a smidge shy of universal.

Basically, Misch is arguing that in the first joke, Louis C.K. performs the very behavior of comics that he is describing in the joke: He tells us he’s lying to display that comics lie.

However, when C.K. tells the second joke, he makes a point about a type of person – women who expect men to play out a rape fantasy – and we have only his word and singular example to go on.

However, in the conclusion of the article, he says,

So what meaneth the waitress joke? This: if it’s wrong to extrapolate a cultural insight from an anecdote (Spoiler Alert: it is), then it’s even worse to do that from something which never happened.

So here he admits that it’s wrong to make some larger point about a type of woman, but he doesn’t seem to get that perhaps C.K. isn’t doing that; that it’s more likely just an absurd example – true or not. Because Misch fails to grant a positive motive to C.K. he argues that C.K. is extrapolating, and that this behavior is made worse if the anecdote is not true.

“I used to date Hispanic guys, but now I prefer consensual.”

Misch says, of Schumer, that while she sometimes “challenges her audiences with sexual, cultural, and occasional political edginess” he implies that in this joke “her outrageousness masked problematic material, getting easy laughs from cultural stereotypes.”

Misch notes,

There, authenticity isn’t the point; if she’d actually been raped by a Hispanic guy, would the joke be less racist? And how is it different than Trump’s referring to “some” Mexicans as rapists? Not very… and among the people who agree is Schumer: “I used to do dumb jokes like that. Once I realized I had an influence I stopped.” Tossing the cloak aside, Schumer admits that her persona – raunchy, but feminist and inclusive – requires a higher degree of responsibility.

So here the truth must be that she’s been raped by a Hispanic guy, and Schumer is generalizing out to all Hispanics, or there is no truth to it at all, and she’s still generalizing out to all Hispanics, which is worse. This is by far, Misch’s most harsh treatment of a joke and comic, and I will argue, it’s completely unwarranted.

“He’s half-white.”

Misch says that Silverman’s joke “played off her (sometimes) persona as an oblivious, narcissistic white chick, commenting on racism from a faux-naïve perspective (that’s actually left-wing).”

This marks a major change in how Misch describes the jokes. Here, if he were being consistent, Misch would give us a “straight” reading and claim that Silverman is focusing on the “good,” white half, instead of on the “bad,” black half – that the (primary) “truth” she’s revealing is that white people are better than black people, or so she believes.

Instead, Misch grants her enough goodwill to read the joke in a positive way – that she’s being ironical to state a larger (second) truth about the absurdity of claiming racial superiority.

I could push it further: her last quip plays off the absurdity of characterizing people by physical characteristics even more: that she doesn’t care if people think she’s racist (that she characterizes people by their appearance in terms of skin color) as long as they think she’s thin (characterizing her by her appearance in terms of weight).  As I argue elsewhere, she pushes just a bit too hard in wrong direction, just a bit too often to be bona fide.

“Wouldn’t it be funny…”

When Misch gets to Tosh, he becomes still more magnanimous. Misch notes that although the internet was offended,

[M]ost standups defended him, if not the joke, because he was responding to a heckler with an ad-lib. Sure, it was a failed ad-lib but what’s the punishment for that?

Comedians have the right to be tasteless or offensive, accidentally or on purpose. Criticize Tosh (or Maher or Kathy Griffin), boycott, but to prevent experimentation is to prevent art. Standups need to fail to learn how to succeed. (Noted comedian T.S. Eliot said going too far is the only way to find out how far you can go.)

And, by the way, Tosh’s joke could be more complex than it appeared. What if his question wasn’t rhetorical? “Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped?” No. Which could have been Tosh’s wry, subtle – far too subtle – way of pointing out the difference between rape jokes and rape.

Here, Misch is reading into the joke far, far more than is warranted, especially given – as he states – that Tosh was responding to a heckler with ad-lib; it’s hugely unimaginable that in that heated moment, he spontaneously came up with a universal (secondary) “truth” to express – a larger critique about the difference between jokes and reality – rather than just verbally attacking a woman who threatened his act by reminding her of the (primary) “truth” that at any moment she could be raped.

If we grant a similar level of leniency and goodwill to Louis C.K. and Amy Schumer, we can similarly revise Misch’s reading of their jokes.

Bar Revisited

What the first joke displays to me is that, as Misch reveals about Silverman and Tosh, there are at least two truths in the bar joke:

  1. The truth about comedians, and
  2. The truth about the bar.

[Note: Within the joke, there is probably also the truth about the relationship between the comedian and audience, and by laughing (or not) the audience reveals some truths about themselves.]

It’s not just that 2) the truth about the bar isn’t important, it’s that it is eclipsed in importance by 1) the truth about comedians, which simultaneously renders it irrelevant because if the first is true, the second is untrustworthy.

Waitress revisited

I would similarly argue that Misch’s initial take – that when C.K. tells the second joke, he makes a point about a type of person: women who expect men to play out a rape fantasy – is true only if we take the joke as containing one truth: about factuality of the scenario. Instead there are at least three truths here:

  1. The truth of the scenario,
  2. Whether that one example provides evidence that “some women are like that,” and
  3. The truth that Louis C.K. doesn’t want to rape.

And the scenario could honor one, two, all or possibly none and still garner a laugh – depending on the motivations of the laugher. Four interpretations other than Misch’s come easily to mind:

  1. If we don’t take C.K. at his word about the scenario, then he’s concocted an absurd situation that allows him to tell a rape joke and look like the hero for refusing to participate. He’s written a joke about not wanting to rape. And this may be Misch’s mystery critic’s point – we can laugh at the wit of the comic, or at the absurdity of the scenario, without believing a word of it.
  2. If we take Misch’s final point, and believe that C.K. is giving an actual, but non-generalizable example, then we can still laugh at the absurdity of the example, without reading into it a critique of a large group of women, who we should come to laugh at. Plus we can still appreciate that Louis C.K. doesn’t want to rape.
  3. Misch’s take on the joke is (perhaps) the third worst scenario, narrowly eclipsed by one in which we believe that the scenario is real, and Louis would have raped, had he had any indicators: that his denial of the desire to rape is false.
  4. Of course, if we believe that the scenario is false, and that Louis C.K. is telling it to make us believe that there are women out there into rape, so we can go ahead and rape, it would be read as truly horrific and not remotely funny.

My point is that to laugh, we have to have some goodwill toward the comic.

Hispanics revisited

However, Schumer’s joke also has several potential “truths”:

  1. Whether or not she used to prefer Hispanic guys (she says in one interview that it was just a “formulaic joke,” and she picked Hispanic basically at random),
  2. Whether or not she was raped (in her book, public advocacy and act, she claims that all women have had experiences that were close),
  3. Whether or not Hispanic men (generally) rape (probably not),
  4. Whether or not Schumer prefers consensual sex (which, C.K.’s story notwithstanding, she probably does), and
  5. Perhaps most importantly: Whether or not Hispanic and consensual are mutually exclusive.

Here’s the reading I prefer in my work for that joke: Schumer used to prefer a race type, then realized that racially typing men was stupid and so switched to a more meaningful “type”: whether the sex was consensual or not.

This reading doesn’t require us to believe that she was raped by a Hispanic guy – let alone that all Hispanics are rapists – or even that she was raped at all, just that she realized that “not being raped” was more important than racially profiling.  But here, again, we have to grant goodwill to the comic, which Misch seems disinclined to do for Schumer.

Summary

I’ll have more to say on Misch’s idea of authenticity and truth in the coming days, as I ponder it some more.  Here, I wanted to begin with his uneven treatment of the jokes, which seem premised on two ideas:

  1. Comedy that matters doesn’t [or “Standups who make social commentary” don’t] just reveal truth, but relies[/rely] on it.
  2. There is only one possible reading of a joke.

He gives lip service to the lack of accuracy and literal truth; that comedy must only be plausible, or “truth-adjacent.”

That’s how most standup works: think up a joke then pretend it’s part of your life. But “authenticity” is the key; stories are more effective when they feel like they could have happened. Yet a successful joke depends not on its “realness” but on the artfulness of its construction and delivery. Which is as it should be; standup is about being funny, not having a funny life.

He also notes that there are different “truths”:

Of course, everyone’s “truth” is different; standup truth is one the audience either shares or comes to share by dint of the comic’s comic persuasion.

And later,

Picasso defined art as “the lie that reveals the truth,” but we all have our own truths.

But these sentiments don’t play out in the critiques he levels above – at least, not until he gets to Tosh’s rape joke – it’s a performative contradiction.  Again, more on this coming.

As I hope I’ve shown, just granting the amount of wiggle room he grants to Tosh, and expanding our ideas of the potential “truths” in a joke similarly expand not only the audience’s capacity to find the joke funny – to hear it in such a way that it doesn’t offend them – but the ability for the joke to act as social commentary.

Update: Pastemagazine.com Interview with Deon Cole

Persona

After reading this interview, I made some updates.  The first is an update to post on Persona – where I talk about whether stand-ups “just be themselves,” or whether they play a role, and in this interview, Becker casts Cole as doing both at the same time.

Sometimes, this gets confused. Christian Becker of Pastemagazine.com (7/5/2017) talking about Deon Cole’s Netflix episode of The Standups, says,

In his episode Cole walks on stage with a piece of paper in hand, as if he’s a beginner trying to work out material for a later act. But he’s anything but a beginner, and that persona he puts out there is all intentional.

But then, at the end of the same paragraph, he ends with,

While comedians will often times play a character or show off a larger than life personality on stage, Cole is taking off that mask and just being himself.

And then again, later in the article, he again refers to the comic as “self-aware,”

How self-aware does he get? He opens by literally explaining to the crowd that he’s there to try out some jokes, “and if they don’t work out then you’ll never see me again.” His closer is him just leaving the stage, purposefully skipping the “big finale” that other comics like to end on.

This strikes me as wishy-washy, it’s an intentional persona, but he’s “just being himself.” He’s self-aware, and that’s part of the act, but it’s also him being “real” and “toning down the theatrics.”  But if it’s part of the act, then isn’t it “theatrical” by nature?

Intentionality

The second update was to the post on Intentionality – where I talk about whether or not the only goal of a comic is to make the audience laugh.  Cole supports this view:

Update: In an interview with Pastemagazine.com’s Christian Becker (7/5/2017), Deon Cole says,

It shouldn’t be funny culturally funny, it should just be funny.

Questions? Comments? Thoughts? Additions?

Chris Crespo, Comics with “Disabilities”

Inclusion

[I’ve added this to my piece on “hot” funny women as the problem of inclusion is felt by People of Color and the differently-abled as well.] In an interview with Michael Stahl of Narratively.com (6/29/2017), Chris Crespo, a differently-abled comic, expressed worry about this:

When I started, I didn’t want to talk about my disability. I want to be on a lineup because I’ve proved my worth. I always feared that I’d be booked on a show to fulfill some diversity bullshit. I don’t want to be on a show because they need a cripple; I want to be there because people want to see me perform.

Crespo also says he didn’t want to talk about it “for fear of being perceived as merely a sympathy case by the audience.”

It probably wouldn’t be a concern if it weren’t happening.

On laughing with versus at

When discussing writing, Crespo says,

I always write five jokes a day, minimally. Whenever I can’t think of anything new to write, I always go back to making fun of myself, and usually that’s the best source.

It’s this idea of “making fun of oneself” or “poking fun at his condition” that I have a problem with, wondering if it does more harm than good.  This is what I’m getting at with the Unforeseen Consequences of a Marginalized Persona, where I use the example of Josh Blue. It is a concern, as Crespo admits later in the interview:

High school was a little weird for me. My disability was always used as a punch line, and it kind of made me uncomfortable when other people did it. I started to think, “If they’re going to use it, I have to use it [more] quickly. I have to beat them to the punch.”

He knew they were going to laugh at him, out of Superiority, so he became a class clown as a defense mechanism.  Further, now he’s acknowledged that he has to talk about his disability on-stage, which begs the question: Can you ever really be laughing with him, once you know that he’s only laughing to preempt the laughing at he expected from you? Does the fact that he’s allowing it- even writing the jokes – change the fact that it still might be, at base, ridicule?

The rub

Crespo states,

The drive comes from knowing that I’m good, knowing that on a basic level I can make a person laugh. In a very crazy way, I have to prove to people that I can be fucking hilarious. That’s the goal for me.

However, his difference makes any speculation moot.  He’s not a stereotypical comic, so why posit what it would be like if he were?  In the end, the only thing we can return to is, “Did the audience laugh?” and we can’t discern the “why?” in any meaningful way.

As long as they laugh, he gains bookings, and makes money, so some ask, “Where’s the harm?”

Summary

I admit, I haven’t seen Crespo’s show, I’m just going off the way he, himself describes it. He also talks about doing “observations of others who don’t know how to handle interactions with him,” and all the examples are generic or in this vein.  However, the potential harm still bothers me.

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Can Comedy Be Serious?

Philip Stamato of Splitsider.com, talking about late night comedy (6/28/2017) pretty much nails the premise of my humor projects:

It seems like nobody can agree on whether to take comedy very lightly or very seriously. People get firmly locked in their respective ideological camps, proclaiming either that comedy is powerful because it’s meaningless or that it’s powerful because it contains more meaning than anything else (and indeed it’s usually “the most” of something; people rarely get heated and argue that it’s just “pretty much” something).

Yes, we seem obsessed with the idea that comedy must be either a free (carnivalesque) space where there are no rules thus a space in which we can, to paraphrase Augusto Boals, “dress rehearse the revolution,” or it must be a space in which one can “speak truth to power.” I’ve raised questions about both of these endpoints.

Range of intentions

Stamato continues with more problems I’ve noted:

What the debaters always seem to ignore is just how broadly they’re defining something as wide-ranging as comedy. Some comedy is very meaningful. Some comedy is pretty much meaningless.

Yes, the problem is that different comics have different goals, different intentions, though we often think of them (and many of them think of themselves) as not meaning any of it.  Some do try to do some meaningful stuff, sometimes, but most don’t, and the change to doing consequential stuff is a more recent creation.

Recent change

Stamato argues that late night comedy since Jon Stewart’s The Daily Show has come to be more and more about providing “news and valuable information,” whereas in the past “it was overtly trivial.”

The closest thing America had then to what it has now was Saturday Night Live’s Weekend Update, which was simply comedians reading headlines and providing either puns or comedically deliberate misinterpretations. The idea that anybody could gain any practical and informative news from late night comedy shows was laughable in itself.

I’ve addressed this issue of a lack of deep critique while discussing Russell Peterson’s take on Jay Leno. I remember quite fondly Gilda Radner as Emily Litella on “Violins on Television,” which beautifully encapsulates the idea.  But there’s the hook: I remember it.

Memorable

That’s Stamato’s point about comedy (something we’ve known at least since Aristotle): it makes a lasting impression because it appeals to our emotions.

Mixed with actual, well-researched information, that makes comedy one of the most lasting and enduring means of transmitting information.

Whether or not people agree with [late night comedy segments], they stick; they make their way into traditional news media and social media, and they become the avenue through which many ultimately focus on the issue at hand. So it makes sense that we should be as concerned with factuality and quality of research in our late night comedy segments as we are with factuality and quality of research in traditional news media.

It is important, if comedy is going to do good things, that it be based in the truth.

Truthful

Stamato quotes The Daily Show’s senior producer, Adam Chodikoff:

I want it on my gravestone. Without credibility, the jokes mean nothing.

Similarly, Will Storey, research manager for Late Night with Seth Meyers, says that a joke is

only funny if it’s based in reality and if the audience can connect that reality to absurdity. Reality is getting pretty absurd these days, and that provides a lot more leeway.

In the last two-thirds of the article, Stamato chronicles the ways that late night comedy shows obtain information and check facts, and he never returns to the theme with which he introduced the piece: what is the power of comedy?

Maybe he thinks he has, the assumption seems to be that it can “speak truth to power” in a memorable way, if the comic wants (intends) to, but that might not be enough if the audience doesn’t do anything about it.

Comforting

Stamato also points out that the comedy news format is comforting to some:

Jon Stewart offered Americans the opportunity to take in the news without it leading to mini panic attacks, and in the atmosphere that immediately followed 9/11, it was comforting to be able to laugh at news. As Anthony Jeselnik has said, “No matter how terrible something is, if you can find a way to laugh at it, then things are going to be all right.”

However, that brings up another point, as Neil Postman has posited, are we just amusing ourselves to death?  This is the key question raised in response to Relief theory. Are we, in laughing at jokes about current events, replacing action with laughter? Shouldn’t we freak out and handle the problem?

Summary

Perhaps I shouldn’t look to Stamato for answers; after all, I don’t have any.  I just have educated guesses. Still, it’s good to see people starting to take comedy seriously, and to question the standard scripts of what it can and can’t do, even if they end up reinforcing some of them.

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